Anyone have any input on the quality between the two, I know some like Matt W. on here uses SM but I would like to compare them. I cant find anyone who sells Renthal in the states so if anyone knows that would be helpful as well. I believe Renthal ultra-lows is a great deal cheaper but Im looking for quality here and have read a view reviews but Im clueless with everything excpet for stock since Im sure you would have to feel them to get an idea. Thanks in advance

Matt

actually I am experiencing the same dilema deciding betweenn the two but I really think im gonna get the sm because I always think the renthals look too wide

I really like the looks of the suburbans this mod is the longest ongoing decision for me :?

The SM2 bars are lower than the Renthal Ultra Lows. The Renthals are the best quality dirt bar so quality isn't an issue.

If you do get the renthals you'll have to drill new holes for your pins. With the SM bars they are pre drilled. Either way it's pretty easy.

In my opinion they are both high quality. Decided based on how low you want to go with the SM's being the lowest. If I did the swap I would choose the Renthals because I'd want a gold colored bar and I think they look better. The bend is extreme enough for my taste.

I have really nothing to compare it to, but i love my renthal ultralows... i'm 5'4" so i thought based on the dimensions that it was going to be a little too stretched out and agressive and too much foward but based on everyones comments over at the nest and dave over at street fighter I went ahead with it.

But it's perfect.... with the stock bars i always found myself moving myself toward the back of the seat at higher speeds... with the renthal bars I'm perfect... and i was also worried that i would loose the comfort of the upright feel but no pain in my back....

And yes i chopped off about 3/4 in on each side to bring the width in.

http://www.honda599.com/images/jnuine_frontend.jpg

if you can't find anyone local call up david, he took great care of me...

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Phone 530-587-8521
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Suburban Machinery bars:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v603/DarkTint/Honda%20599/599bars.jpg


A link to their site:

http://www.suburban-machinery.com/honda_919.htm

This bars are great. And I get the feeling that these are made at a fairly small shop, so the customer service is really good also. A buddy of mine owns a customization shop, so I had him install them for me. He had a question during the install, so he called the shop and talked with the guy that actually welded the bars.

Hey Dark, Do you have Targa turn signals? I used those for my bike as well.

I'm pretty happy with mine.

well i went ahead and ordered the sm bars so new pics on the way soon :D

Hey Dark, Do you have Targa turn signals? I used those for my bike as well.

I noticed in some of your pictures that it looked like we had the same front blinkers. I'm not sure what brand mine were, I bought them off the shelf from a local shop. They looked pretty good, but they were so cheap that they started to melt themselves. Look closely at the top of the left blinker. Oh well, they only cost 20 bucks.

well i went ahead and ordered the sm bars so new pics on the way soon :D

cool, i think your going to be happy with them. the thing is that now your going to have to spend more money on barend mirrors. the stock OEM's look funny with the SM bars.

the SM bars will give your more of that "sportbike" feel. in my case, that's what i wanted. my front set up is just that. SM bars and barend mirrors. it's amazing how much better the bike looks from just removing those rabbit ear mirrors.

the bars are very easy to install. as someone already mentioned they come pre drilled. the only problem i had was the noticable change in vibration. SM bars are made of aluminum so they amplify the vibration much more.the OEM hadle bar weights do not work with the SM bars (there's no slots for the metal collars on the lead weights) i did get the OEM barend weights to fit into the SM bars by using rubber tapered washers. unfortunately, it had no positive effects on the vibrations.

i currently am not using a barend weight on my SM bars. i've had it like this for a year now and i guess i just got use to it. with the SM bars you won't have to get new cables or lines. the OEM stock lines and cable work just fine.

i am currently looking for a more sportbike feel on the bike. i tried flipping the SM bars upside down and drilling my own holes. the bike looked badass with the SM bars upside down ( bars have more of a downward angle like this), but i couldn't get the lines and cables to fit right. had to put it right side up. i think i'll try clip ons next.

Well in the end I went with a set of clip-ons that a local shop recommeded. They are going to be super low and I hope they work out. They should be here in the next couple of days then Ill post pics if anyone is interested.

My tastes lean heavily toward the Renthals. Quality? Not an issue. Top notch bars. The SM bars look "cobbled up and home made looking to me. And yeah, no problem cutting the Renthals to the proper width. The photos i've seen, the Renthals look custom made for the 599's. I wouldn't think finding them would be an issue. They look like standard 7/8ths ultra low bars to me?

They look like standard 7/8ths ultra low bars to me?

Yup, any 7/8ths bars will fit. Some people cut 1/4 inch off each end because they are wider. Whatever floats your boat.

Yup, any 7/8ths bars will fit.
Went down to the local shop....there are like 100 different varieties with different bends and rises :roll: Pray tell, what have others used exactly?

The SM bars look "cobbled up and home made looking to me.

Not just that, but I don't like having two welds on each side that can fail between my hand and the top triple tree. In the bicycling world I believe the switch was made from welded stems to 2 piece stems because of problems with welds not being able to stand up to the constant vibration and constant forward pressure from the rider's hands resulting in stem failure. If I were to get another 599 I'd go with Renthals or Pro-Tapers.

Well in the end I went with a set of clip-ons that a local shop recommeded. They are going to be super low and I hope they work out. They should be here in the next couple of days then Ill post pics if anyone is interested.

i am definitly interested in your finish work. thinking about getting clip-ons myself. post the pictures when you can. good luck :thumbsup

I got the Renthal 7/8th Ultra Lows. and they work great..

well I can vouch that now welding material now can produce a weld that is actually stronger at the weld then the rest of the metal :thumbsup


but the person welding has to know what they are doing the penetration level has to be right

structural welds are always stronger at the welds then the parent metal if done correctly

I been thinkin about making my own bars maybe out of ti

them SM bars are just too much $$$ for what they are

150 bucks ???? I think its cheap for a bolt on perfect fit

if it was ti that would be dirt cheap but steel it should be less then $100

I'm reaaaaaaaaaaally thinking about getting a set of the SM bars.

I think they give the bike a "unique" appearance with the way they are welded.

:thumbsup Go for it Moto 150 bucks u cant beat it mine should be here soon :D plus they are pre drilled and still allow the use of the steering lock and not to mention they look friggin AWESOME I agree the way the welds are , the angles , really look unique a bit sharper then the renthals IMO and the stainless is gonna go GREAT with my bike too damn I cant wait woohooo

gentlemen..

pictures when you have installed your bars, renthals or SM's

thanks

So has anyone installed their clip-ons or Renthals, yet? I'm interested to see them and hear about your experience.

Oh, and i assume the handlebars on the 919 are also 7/8 (or 22mm) bars...?

Yes, the 919 has the 7/8 bars.

I heard of a guy putting drag bars (strait bar) on his 919 and it hit the tank. I think the SM bars are as low as you can safely go.

Yeah, i'm thinking of the Renthal Ultra Lows. AFAIK they fit just fine. I like the comfortable riding position and don't think i want to go as radical as the SM bars, but somewhere inbetween should be just right for both cruisin' and bruisin'. :D

I have Renthal and it looks and works great. I inserted anti-vibration bars on it. The anti-vibration bars cost is about $ 25.00 - $ 35.00.

I have Renthal and it looks and works great. I inserted anti-vibration bars on it. The anti-vibration bars cost is about $ 25.00 - $ 35.00.

How well do the do the anti-vibration things work? The vibration on my 1000rr is horrible. My right hand goes numb within minutes on the highway. The ones I've seen are heavier weights that insert into the bar ends. Is that what you have?

Yes, it works great, I don't fill any vibration now. The one that I have is for dirtbikes, that's why it fits Renthal bars. I don't think that it will fit a CBR.

the SM bars don't hit the tank like drag bars cause the handle part is position foward from the clamp

Well, i ordered some Ultra Lows over the weekend. They should be here by the end of the week. Hopefully i'll get around to putting them on before Christmas, but we'll see...

the SM's just look like it'd be weird to steer with,... since the handles are offset to the axis of rotation,... it looks like you'd be pushing the bars instead of turning the bars...

I've been thinking about getting more agressive bars but most of my friends didn't think it would be easy to do.

So very happy I found this thread!

Might start taking the bike to the track next season if I get new bars.

url (http://houseofmotorcycles.bikebandit.com/partsbandit/oem_schematic_view~schem_dept_id~1136020~section_d ept_id~1~section_dept_name~OEM+%28Stock%29+Parts~d ept_type_id~2~model_dept_year~2004~model_dept_mfr~ Honda~model_dept_id~1132616~model_dept_name~CB600F .asp)

This long ass link is the explosion. It's not that hard. The hardest part might be drilling the new holes in the renthals for the pins.

You can always put the old bars back so no worrys.

You want to really stand out? Go buy these handlebars (http://www.sba-france.com/catalog/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=25&products_id=604).

You want to really stand out? Go buy these bandlbars (http://www.sba-france.com/catalog/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=25&products_id=604).

Intresting alternative to the SM's and a good price. Some funky stuff available in France 8) I'd like to see it from different angles though.

i actually like those better than the SM,...
they make it look like clip-ons sorta (i guess they sorta almost are,... but not completely, you know what i mean)

anyone of our across the big pond-ers have these?

You want to really stand out? Go buy these bandlbars (http://www.sba-france.com/catalog/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=25&products_id=604).

I don't speak French...but if I could find a way to order those bars I'd DEFINITELY be the guinea pig for the forum...

i bet one of the out of country members might offer their buying/shipping services for you.... because i'd sure like to see some more pics and here some reviews on those things

(of course it's up to our out of country members, not me,... but i think i remember reading that one of them said they would do that... charclo maybe?)

the SM's just look like it'd be weird to steer with,... since the handles are offset to the axis of rotation,... it looks like you'd be pushing the bars instead of turning the bars...

You should be pushing the bars anyway...so what's the problem??? 8)

No, really...i see what you mean. But it's probably not as strange feeling as you might think it is as they act almost exactly the same even though they are in a very different position. But pushing in the bar in a turn will give you the exact same result with these as with stock bars. But you're right in that the 'turning' part of it will be a little different.

And SSS, you really F'd up the alignment of this page with that long ass link of yours... :roll: :wink:

I am more than happy to help out anyone who wants euro parts as long as we can sort the $ up front :D

As for these bars...found another pic but can't seem to get the picture small enough to post...heres the link

http://www.sibimotor.it/sito/news.php?id=93

They look quite wide to me...difficult to tell without seeing more angles really.

And SSS, you really F'd up the alignment of this page with that long ass link of yours... :roll: :wink:

Agreed, SSS, use the following instead

link text (%URL%)

where %URL% = long ass url

I can't figure it out. I clicked the URL button but no dice. It's easier on other sites. So live with it :)

You want to really stand out? Go buy these bandlbars (http://www.sba-france.com/catalog/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=25&products_id=604).

I don't speak French...but if I could find a way to order those bars I'd DEFINITELY be the guinea pig for the forum...

I speak french.... if you need any sort of translation 8)

$260 PLUS shipping (slow boat around another $80) to have somthing that emulates clip-ons...nope...I just don't get it.

But PM "charclo" - he is in France and has offered to help... PayPal is international.

They do look pretty cool (and definately different), but i just got my Renthal Ultra lows in yesterday and am excited about putting them on. I got them for $60 (no taxes and free shipping) from Dennis Kirk. I ordered them online on Sunday and they had them to me by Wednesday afternoon. Good price AND good customer service. Now to see if they actually fit without hitting the tank at full lock. (I assume they won't, but can't tell without actually putting them on. Anyone else had this problem with a 919? I've heard of people doing it, but does anyone know if the 919 has a wider tank than the 599? I didn't really think about that until now. But i'll let you know how it turns out.)

If you roate them correctly you won't have any clearance issues.

Did you get the gold bar? That would look tight with your mirrors and GOLD NISSIN BRAKES! 8)

The bar as is may be a little too wide and give you too much leaverage(making it feel twitchy). If that's the case just cut 1/4" off each end.

Put them next to the OEM bars for comparrison and remember to measure twice and cut once. You can always cut more off if need be but you can't put it back.

That's good to hear, Steve. I had assumed since i had read about people using the Ultra Lows on 919s that they would fit perfectly...but once i had them in my hand and saw how different they were from stock i wasn't sure anymore...

And yes, i did get the gold bar. I'm not much for bling, but i do love the gold accents that i've seen on the new black 2007 Hornet (gold shocks on the inverted forks as well as the brakes) and was hoping to follow a similar theme. Getting the black mirrors with gold stalks is what gave me the idea for the handlebars, and the gold stalks were inspired by the gold brakes. (I also ordered the silver bar in case i didn't like the way the gold one looked...i can always ship the one that i don't use back. And although i think i'm going to stick with the gold, the silver perfectly matches up to the fork clamp and bar clamps and looks really nice as well.)

I think i'll cut them as short as i can while still properly mounting the mirror clamps and grips. It looks as if the new bar is about 3/4" longer on each side than stock. I'm going to remove the stock bars and measure the heck out of them before i go cutting anything...but i don't want them to be any wider than the stockers if at all possible.

Did you get the gold bar? That would look tight with your mirrors and GOLD NISSIN BRAKES! 8)
You teasing b*stard.... :x

I am more than happy to help out anyone who wants euro parts as long as we can sort the $ up front :D

As for these bars...found another pic but can't seem to get the picture small enough to post...heres the link

http://www.sibimotor.it/sito/news.php?id=93

They look quite wide to me...difficult to tell without seeing more angles really.

I would be happy to paypal you the money if you would be willing to purchase them and ship them to me...I"ll PM you.

For some reason my PM's aren't working? Heres the response from the French shop...

Hello Jason,
I could send to UK, the strike Bars for your hornet cost : 163 E excluding
VAT for the 600 Hornet and 214 E for the 900

The delivery cost : 18 Euros

If you are interested for order, send me your adress for delivery, the model
of bike and color of the srike wanted.

Next I'll send you a mail with the bill included and my account number for
do the transfer.

By
Paolo



I think your looking at about 220 pounds delivered...$440 dollars? Let me know what you think :) I have asked if they deliver to the US to save some money.

Me? I have SM bars on the way to me for January...should stand out in the UK! The strike bars are tempting though!

Holy cow that's expensive! They may not be crazy rare, but i'll take my $65 Renthal bars any day. (Of course i did spend WAY too much on mirrors, so who am i to talk... :roll: :wink: )

that is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY to much money. I'll just order the Suburban Machinery bars....

Thanks for trying to help out though...I really appreciate it.

I've got Renthal Ultra Low's on mine. They're decent, but I am thinking of flipping them for that "cafe racer" look, or even going with clip ons.

We'll see.

Well, i opened my Christmas present early and installed my Renthal Ultralows this evening. It was really an easy job if you have all the necessary basic hand tools, and took me a little less than two hours from start to finish. That may sound long, but it also includes cutting the bars down to the stock width...and i tend to go slow so that i get everything done right the first time without making any mistakes.

Interesting notes: 1) A little squirt of silicone under the grip does wonders for sliding it off the handlebar. 2) the '06 919 does not have the little pegs that stick into the handlebars like the earlier models do (so there's no need to go through the process of removing them - if you don't know what i'm talking about, reference here (http://www.919.org/rrb.htm)). 3) You do, however, need to grind a little nub that is in the plastic casing that contains the engine shutoff switch as it goes in a hole in the stock bars. I wouldn't grind it all the way off, but about 1/2 down so it's still useable, but doesn't keep your switchgear from lying flush with the bar. It's no big deal if you have a rotary tool like a dremel or something. And 4) do NOT try to cut the Renthal bars any narrower than stock as you won't have room for everything that needs to attach to the bars. (I cut mine to the stock length and barely had room for everything as the shape of the bars is different, giving you less straight bar section on each end to work with.)

So here are the pics (some of them aren't that great as they were taken in my garage):

This is the test fit.

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/76/img3745ig8.jpg

The bars after cutting. (Note: I cut about 1 1/2" off each end as i wanted them as narrow as possible. This worked for me just fine, but is the absolute MOST you can cut off these bars and still have room for all the switch gear, levers and mirrors. I marked it with a grease pen, then used a Dremel with a reinforced cutting wheel and it worked like a charm.)

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/7094/img3749ji8.jpg

A couple of quick pics of the fitted product:

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/9146/img3762kb4.jpg

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/1619/img3763ta3.jpg

I haven't had a chance to ride it yet (and probably won't for a while), but so far i really like the new look and the slightly more forward position. I was surprised that they didn't lean me forward more than they did, but it's just enough to be able to feel a difference. And they do clear the tank just fine.

Cheers!

That looks beautiful! Good job.

After you go on a long ride and tell me you're still comfortable I may do the same.

I may opt to drill the bar rather than grind the peg down.

Definitely should drill to keep the locating pin :thumbsup

The only reason i would say that's not a good idea is that one of the 'features' of these bars is that they've been shot peened to harden the surface against fatigue failure and they specifically tell you not to do...well...pretty much anything to them or else risk compromising the structural integrity of the bar. They are aluminum after all and not steel, and as such they are much more likely to suffer fatigue. So personally, i wouldn't drill any holes in them. If they were steel it wouldn't be that big of an issue, though.

...they specifically tell you not to do...well...pretty much anything to them or else risk compromising the structural integrity of the bar...
But I think they are looking at people pulling off Doubles, Triples and pounding down dirt trails, don't think we put anywhere near the stress on the bar. But you make a good point to keep in mind.

Looks good, like the gold....would go great with a set of gold calipers... :twisted:

Just went for a ride with the new bars and found that they make my hands cold. Or mebbe that's just the weather...? (Yes, definately the weather. High 40s and i REALLY need something other than fingerless gloves!) Anyways, these bars are perfect. The riding position really wasn't changed as much as i thought it would be as you can still sit very upright, but once i started getting into some curves i found that i was only using the front part of the seat. After sliding my butt back a couple of inches to the back of the cushion i was amazed at how effortless the ride was. Sliding back a couple of inches makes you feel like you're on a sportbike (without your butt in the air or the sore wrists). It was so natural when i was just cruising to sit up straight like i had before with the stock bars, but i can now slide back and really position myself to take on those twisties.

So after my first ride, i am more than happy with these bars and would recommend them to anyone. You really don't give up any noticeable comfort (at least for short rides), but slide back in the seat and you feel like you're on a completely different bike that's up for anything you are.

Now i just can't wait for spring to take some trips and find some really fun roads to tackle! :twisted:

Thanks for the feedback on the bars. I think after your first long trip you'll be looking for a good aftermarket seat.

I don't know...i have a pretty tough little butt. So far i like the stock seat just fine. But if i do wind up taking some longer trips i guess i'll just have to wait and see.

I had my friend who has a 600RR sit on my bike this week and he thinks it's the most comfortable thing in the world. (Of course he has all of about 2" of padding on his bike...)

Well, i opened my Christmas present early and installed my Renthal Ultralows this evening. It was really an easy job if you have all the necessary basic hand tools, and took me a little less than two hours from start to finish. That may sound long, but it also includes cutting the bars down to the stock width...and i tend to go slow so that i get everything done right the first time without making any mistakes.




http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/1619/img3763ta3.jpg

I haven't had a chance to ride it yet (and probably won't for a while), but so far i really like the new look and the slightly more forward position. I was surprised that they didn't lean me forward more than they did, but it's just enough to be able to feel a difference. And they do clear the tank just fine.

Cheers!

what mirrors are those? i realllllly want to replace the stock crap mirrors.

Rizoma Radial Naked mirrors. I swear someone's asked me about those in every section of this forum...but i'm glad everyone seems to like them. There's also a thread dedicated to them in the mods and accessories forum if you want to find out more about them. If you can't find it feel free to pm me and i'll give you the info.

I have really nothing to compare it to, but i love my renthal ultralows... i'm 5'4" so i thought based on the dimensions that it was going to be a little too stretched out and agressive and too much foward but based on everyones comments over at the nest and dave over at street fighter I went ahead with it.

But it's perfect.... with the stock bars i always found myself moving myself toward the back of the seat at higher speeds... with the renthal bars I'm perfect... and i was also worried that i would loose the comfort of the upright feel but no pain in my back....

And yes i chopped off about 3/4 in on each side to bring the width in.

http://www.honda599.com/images/jnuine_frontend.jpg

if you can't find anyone local call up david, he took great care of me...

Streetfighters By Design
David Cork
Phone 530-587-8521
Fax 530-587-8521
Email sbd@davidcork.com
Web www.streetfightersbydesign.com


What Renthals do you have? I want all black bars.

I did you have any trouble putting them on?

Do you need the brace or just like the way it looks?

Thanks

PM me or just post

hey there sorry for the late response haven't been online in a while. But the brace is optional and if you go to renthals website they have a lot of assortment of colors i went with the titanium and the titanium bar ends.

i took it to the local shop to have them installed but if would be a good idea to trim the ends of them off. it's a pretty wide bar. and i'm sure it's not that hard to install theres a link on the next on how to install them.

Hey guys, I am fitting my SM bars this weekend and was wondering...are the bar internals the same size as stock in relation to bar end mirrors? What I need to know is what size to order...or is it just the stock 7/8ths?

Thanks

I have really nothing to compare it to, but i love my renthal ultralows... i'm 5'4" so i thought based on the dimensions that it was going to be a little too stretched out and agressive and too much foward but based on everyones comments over at the nest and dave over at street fighter I went ahead with it.

But it's perfect.... with the stock bars i always found myself moving myself toward the back of the seat at higher speeds... with the renthal bars I'm perfect... and i was also worried that i would loose the comfort of the upright feel but no pain in my back....

And yes i chopped off about 3/4 in on each side to bring the width in.

http://www.honda599.com/images/jnuine_frontend.jpg

if you can't find anyone local call up david, he took great care of me...

Streetfighters By Design
David Cork
Phone 530-587-8521
Fax 530-587-8521
Email sbd@davidcork.com
Web www.streetfightersbydesign.com



I ordered a Renthal Ultra Low bar, but I couldn't find anyone that carries the brace.

Do you have any suggestions?

By the way, they don't offer the Ultra Low in black in the US for some stupid reason, not that I could find anyway. I found several European sites that offer the ULs in black, but by the time you pay to ship them here it's as much as the bar.

thanks

the SM's just look like it'd be weird to steer with,... since the handles are offset to the axis of rotation,... it looks like you'd be pushing the bars instead of turning the bars...

You are supposed to PUSH the bar when riding a motorcycle.

Hey guys, I am fitting my SM bars this weekend and was wondering...are the bar internals the same size as stock in relation to bar end mirrors? What I need to know is what size to order...or is it just the stock 7/8ths?

Thanks
Did you do the install? do you have pics? how do you like them? ...if you did it that is.

Hey there...I fitted the bars...and even took some pics but haven't had time to upload them...I'll try and get them on tonight :)

The fitting was really simple apart from a bit of fiddling required for the clutch cable. I fitted my new Oberon mirror at the same time which is beautiful bit of kit...would recommend. All in, took about 45 mins.

As for the riding...I am starting the season with the SM's so the last time I rode stock was about 4 months ago...so my comparison is from memory (!). The riding position is slightly more aggressive but certainly not uncomfortable...you are leaning more forward and this transfers some of the weight from your spine to your wrists...which for me is a good thing. With the new bars and no mirrors the bike actually feels smaller and more purposeful and this translates into the ride. I have been using it to come to work and this morning we had freezing fog and damp roads...with the upright bars I sometimes felt a bit remote from the steering, but the SM's seem to put you more 'in' the bike and I felt completely in control. I also love the cafe racer looks!

So, in summary...very impressed...easy to fit...not too expensive...and the Oberon gives a great view behind but I feel vulnerable on multi lane roads as I only have one mirror...so I'll just have to stick to the twisties! :twisted:

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pictures pictures pictures !!!!!!!!!!!!!

And here are the pictures....

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r108/tylerd_album/IMG_2508.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r108/tylerd_album/IMG_2509.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r108/tylerd_album/IMG_2507.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r108/tylerd_album/IMG_2506.jpg

Let me know what you think :)

PS...I know I still have that massive guard on the back...but believe me, where I live you need it!

Niiiice!

very sweet dude nice choices I REally like it

VERY VERY NICE!!! I wasn't liking those too much before, but now that I've seen them on a couple of hornets, I may be swayed.

Very nice looking hornet :)

Mind if I ask what make of hugger that is? I generally don't like the look of them but that one's very subtle and looks tidy, I think my rear shock really needs it because its starting to look a mess!

I have really nothing to compare it to, but i love my renthal ultralows... i'm 5'4" so i thought based on the dimensions that it was going to be a little too stretched out and agressive and too much foward but based on everyones comments over at the nest and dave over at street fighter I went ahead with it.

But it's perfect.... with the stock bars i always found myself moving myself toward the back of the seat at higher speeds... with the renthal bars I'm perfect... and i was also worried that i would loose the comfort of the upright feel but no pain in my back....

And yes i chopped off about 3/4 in on each side to bring the width in.

http://www.honda599.com/images/jnuine_frontend.jpg

if you can't find anyone local call up david, he took great care of me...

Streetfighters By Design
David Cork
Phone 530-587-8521
Fax 530-587-8521
Email sbd@davidcork.com
Web www.streetfightersbydesign.com



Did you have any trouble installing your bar?

Did the twist throttle give you and problem?

I've got a Renthal Ultra Low bar to put on and just want to make sure I get it right.

Thanks

Very nice looking hornet :)

Mind if I ask what make of hugger that is? I generally don't like the look of them but that one's very subtle and looks tidy, I think my rear shock really needs it because its starting to look a mess!

Its actually from Pyramid Plastics in the UK...it covers a lot more of the tyre on the other side...so is not as subtle as it looks...but I like it. Very well made with nice touches like places to route the cables etc. and my rear shock is spotless!

Thanks for the nice comments fellas :P

Definitely should drill to keep the locating pin :thumbsup

It says so in their information package, it states DO NOT DRILL because it can weaken the bar.

They are aluminum and shot penned, not steel like the OEM bar.

yep do what you feel safe doing ive called a rep and they said that lil hole is fine also asked dave at STF by design he said same thing plus when you ride like i do i WANT that locating pin there :evil:

It says so in their information package, it states DO NOT DRILL because it can weaken the bar.They are aluminum and shot penned, not steel like the OEM bar.
Ok but why do you choose what rules to follow...wouldn’t logic tell you that the locating pin is there for a reason?

3+ threads all banging your head on the same issue…please come up with a new question.

3+ threads all banging your head on the same issue…please come up with a new question.
New question - hypothetical - heh heh. Could you reverse then flip your handlebars (Renthal, SM, stock, whatever) to give them a more clip on angle look? Assuming adjustments for clearance could be made, would this work?

DJ, Ok you me out back in 5 minutes this ends tonight. :lol:

Oh and I guess so, as long as they clear the tank and you like it.

:lol: :lol: :lol:
Only after I get "little" and "friend" tattooed across my kuckles so I can keep screaming "say hello!"
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I am downlaoding Scarface as we speak! :lol:

3+ threads all banging your head on the same issue…please come up with a new question.
New question - hypothetical - heh heh. Could you reverse then flip your handlebars (Renthal, SM, stock, whatever) to give them a more clip on angle look? Assuming adjustments for clearance could be made, would this work?

tried that already, didn't work for me. just as you said, the clearance for the break and clutch cable lines weren't working. you have to go with a new cables and lines. at that point you might as well get clip ons.

after my accident and getting the bike fixed, i had the shop put 7/8 PRO TAPER bars on. i'll get pictures soon.

What kind of mirrors do you have tyler d? or mirror?

What kind of mirrors do you have tyler d? or mirror?

Hey there, I have one of the adjustable bar end mirrors from Oberon Performance here in the UK -

http://www.oberon-performance.co.uk/acatalog/adjustable-bar-end-mirrors.html

It is beautifully made and works better than the stock mirrors.

Okay, so I got the suburbans installed. I had to buy a riser to accomodate the lower than I really wanted for long ride comfort but holy isht!!! I love these things. Sheer paradise! On the freeways, going fast is no longer an issue. I can lean down and still feel very confident in steering, the canyon twisties are not noticably different though. No big deal. I love the look and love flying on the freeway cutting through wind without feeling like I need to buy a windscreen. So thanks to all of you who PMed me about the suburbans. Anyway, here are some pics. You can see the riser and how they are upside down - pointing more or less towards the floor instead of towards the sky.

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o293/mwanaeusi/IMG_1197.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o293/mwanaeusi/IMG_1232b.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o293/mwanaeusi/IMG_1196.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o293/mwanaeusi/IMG_1212.jpg

Looking good dj!!! Can you lock the bars now and would the bars
touch the tank in a tight turn?

Looking good dj!!! Can you lock the bars now and would the bars
touch the tank in a tight turn?
Thanx. And yes, you can lock the bars. In fact, the third picture in that series is with the bars pulled all the way over into the locking position - took that shot just to show that it can be done.
The risers let me turn without touching the tank. Before I had the risers, I could turn that sharp, but I'd have to do it one handed as the bar would be damn near touching the tank. Close enough that my thumb would get a good thrashing if I didn't move my hand off the grip. Keep in mind, however, that this is because the bars are upside down (or flipped, however you want to call it).

So approximately how long did it take to fully install the new handlebars?

So approximately how long did it take to fully install the new handlebars?
I don't know, I'm not the one who did the install. All I did was fit the risers and play with the angle it was mounted at.

The SM2 bars are lower than the Renthal Ultra Lows. The Renthals are the best quality dirt bar so quality isn't an issue.

If you do get the renthals you'll have to drill new holes for your pins. With the SM bars they are pre drilled. Either way it's pretty easy.

In my opinion they are both high quality. Decided based on how low you want to go with the SM's being the lowest. If I did the swap I would choose the Renthals because I'd want a gold colored bar and I think they look better. The bend is extreme enough for my taste.

Steve,

What do you mean "drill new holes for your pins" on the Renthals?

Thanks, Marco.

...If you do get the renthals you'll have to drill new holes for your pins...
Steve,
What do you mean "drill new holes for your pins" on the Renthals?
Thanks, Marco.






Damn the message was cut off, so now I understand what you are talking about. The control pods on the bar that house the switches (left side and right side) are located on the bar by a pin (on the pod) and a hole (in the bar). If you get aftermarket bars you will need to figure out where the holes should be drilled and drill them. On the SM bars, the guy has already done this for you.

So approximately how long did it take to fully install the new handlebars?

When I did mine, it took about 1.5 hours. But I also spent a lot of that time moving bikes around the shopping, and helping out with a couple of services on a couple of Triumphs that'd come in really late.

Those SM bars look really good. I'm very tempted to get some now.

No way man, those SM bars suck, anyone who has a set laying around (Mech77) should send them to me just to get them out of their garage! :lol:

How are the suburban machinery bars on your wrists? Seems like you'd have to cock your wrists out a bit to get them comfortably on the bars.

...If you do get the renthals you'll have to drill new holes for your pins...
Steve,
What do you mean "drill new holes for your pins" on the Renthals?
Thanks, Marco.

How do you figure it out where to drill without screwing it up? Do you mount the bar in the clamps first so it's in the correct position?






Damn the message was cut off, so now I understand what you are talking about. The control pods on the bar that house the switches (left side and right side) are located on the bar by a pin (on the pod) and a hole (in the bar). If you get aftermarket bars you will need to figure out where the holes should be drilled and drill them. On the SM bars, the guy has already done this for you.

How are the suburban machinery bars on your wrists? Seems like you'd have to cock your wrists out a bit to get them comfortably on the bars.
Takes some adjusting to get used to them your first few rides. But once you learn to use your legs more, it's not a problem at all.

How do you figure it out where to drill without screwing it up? Do you mount the bar in the clamps first so it's in the correct position?
There is a link to Jester's site that kinda shows how to do it...but you really just eye it. It isn't THAT critical. When I did my old bike, I just mounted everything loose and got it to where I wanted then scratched an X in the bar with the pin by moving the pods left right and then back and forth on the bar. Drilled in the general area where then met and done.

:lol: dont worry Rnd youll be the first to know if I get rid of em ..... theres something inside telling me I might wanna run em again and try em a bit longer then I did because I LOVE the way they look but I dunno dont really feal like bouncing around between two sets of bars over and over again and so far I like my UL's better and that is mainly due to my size/reach

Mech, try some risers next time you put em on. Might feel a lot more comfortable.

How do you figure it out where to drill without screwing it up? Do you mount the bar in the clamps first so it's in the correct position?
There is a link to Jester's site that kinda shows how to do it...but you really just eye it. It isn't THAT critical. When I did my old bike, I just mounted everything loose and got it to where I wanted then scratched an X in the bar with the pin by moving the pods left right and then back and forth on the bar. Drilled in the general area where then met and done.

Cool, thanks!!

I understand... :evil: Let me know if you suddenly have a pair of UL for sale :lol: I am a Whore after all...

I just got Renthal ultralows and I like 'em. As others have said, the difference is subtle but it definitely is an improvement.

The mechanic who installed the bars says the stock bar-end weights are not the correct diameter for the Renthal bars (the original weights are temporarily attached to the new bars). I don't remember anyone mentioning this here on the forum. Comments?

Stock steel bars have an internal diameter of 17mm. The aluminum renthals are 14mm. There's no way to fit the stock internal bar ends to the aluminum bars.

I went out and bought some steel LSL bar ends for a 14mm diameter bar. I'll let you know how they work out next time I go for a ride.

Stock steel bars have an internal diameter of 17mm. The aluminum renthals are 14mm. There's no way to fit the stock internal bar ends to the aluminum bars.

I think what my mechanic did -- as a temporary fix -- is attach the stock bar ends with bolts (or screws) into rubber tubing stuffed inside the Renthals. Somthing like that. Anyway I need new bar ends.

Moose Racing Bar Ends - great quality, fit, finish, and inexpensive. (http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/item.aspx?style=2677&department=656&Division=6)

LSL bar ends (http://www.spieglerusa.com/cfm/bar_ends.cfm)

I got the stainless steel ones here. If you want to dampen vibration you need weight... those moose bar ends are just to protect your grips... when you drop your dirt bike.

They were a little expensive, and I haven't tested them out yet (installed last night). But I'll have a ride report for tonight.

Sorry, I didn't think he was having vibe problems. Most folks don't have that issue with the Renthals.

Well the LSL bar ends took all the vibes and piled them securly into the 6k rpm mark. Above or below and there's nothing.

I was going through some old photos and found this one. It shows a pretty good profile of the Suburban Machinery bars.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v603/DarkTint/Honda%20599/Bars.jpg

Wow I just went and re-read this whole post because I still haven't purchased my bars and it seems we have a pretty evenly split crowd with good responses for both bars :( makes the decision a little difficult lol.


Biggest question though, people with the bar end mirrors (which appear to be inserts) do they help with the vibration since u dont really have weights or do they absorb it all and vibrate the mirrors? Also which brand of mirror are most rolling with CRGs?

and mech if u dont mind me asking, how tall are you and why did u swtich back? Maybe I missed the reason, if so just ignore this :wink:

I haven't noticed any vibrations in mine. Neither when they were on the stock bars, nor now on the Suburban Machinery bars.

what brand?

CRG lane splitters.

All i can say is that if you want a more sporty feel go for suburban, they are awesome. It only took me 30 minutes to install, very nice (in borat voice). The renthals look alright but the angle and feel of the suburban bars im sure is way better. Compared to my friends cbr600rr they are similar, you still keep the nice easy on the arms position but they're just more aggressive on the highways. ill update once i get pics.

All i can say is that if you want a more sporty feel go for suburban, they are awesome. It only took me 30 minutes to install, very nice (in borat voice).
Well, it took me just under an hour to do mine—mostly do the removal of the pain-in-the-ass bar end weights that I mistakenly chose to reuse. My advice to anyone else out there looking to do aftermarket bars is get new bar-end weights and don't waste the effort with the OEM Honda ones. Just my opinion.

Anyway, like Sean already said, the Suburban Machinery bars are definitely more sport-like. No more feeling like my elbows are slammed to far back when I'm tucked down at higher speeds as with the stock bars. Having my hands so far back and my arms bent so much never felt as stable as I needed it to. But they're not too low in that Ducati Paul Smart Sport 1000 way either, so you're not limited to a near-horizontal riding position. The other big plus is the swept-back angle. I find it to be far more comfortable than straight or near-straight bars. Plus, they're angled down a bit like clip-ons. So even though they're wider than the OEM bars, they don't feel like it. You can see the difference in angle in comparing the last photo to my avatar which shows the OEM bars.

Look-wise, they really compliment the bike and I think they give it a more agressive look. These cheap eBay mirrors I bought look even better now that they're lower and closer to the bike. Negatives? None—not even the price. I've paid more or the same for aftermarket mountain bike and roadbike bars. If you want to tuck more easily but not be crazy low as with clip-ons, yet like clip-ons, have the same swept back angle for your wrists, than these are the bars for you.

I took some quick photos in my backyard for show and tell. Good looking bike, :wink: but the setting is very boring. :roll:

http://homepage.mac.com/tedrobledo/Robotribe_photos/599_smbars_tr1.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/tedrobledo/Robotribe_photos/599_smbars_tr2.jpg

Those pictures look fantastic. I don't know if it's the lighting, the camera, or what, but the photography is really good.

Those pictures look fantastic. I don't know if it's the lighting, the camera, or what, but the photography is really good.
It's the BIKE, of course! :P

Thanks.

Thanks for the post and the pictures too. I ordered the SM bars today and can't wait to get them in now that I have really seen them on the bike. Nice pics. and those mirrors look good too. Nice job!

I beginning to get annoyed with this site :shock: Every time I log on here I find something else I just gotta have :D The bars look sweet robo. Looks like I have one more thing to add to the list :wink:

i definitely should have went with those suburbans, i picked up some low Fly bars from a local dealer and cut them down a little shorter, but those look much better! im sure this has been answered tons of times, but any links to a site i can look at prices for them?

I think the SM bars look superb on the black '06s. Somehow they match the instrument binnacle! I can't see them on a yellow '04 though. Isn't that odd?

http://www.suburban-machinery.com/index.htm

I think the SM bars look superb on the black '06s. Somehow they match the instrument binnacle! I can't see them on a yellow '04 though. Isn't that odd?
I think they looked great on TylerD's bike (from page 5 of this thread)…
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r108/tylerd_album/IMG_2506.jpg

and DarkTint's…
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v603/DarkTint/Honda%20599/Bars.jpg
If it's not just a color thing, I think they look prety good with the pre-06 cluster. Actuallly, part of me prefers how the older cluster is lower than the '06, specifically with these bars.

Yeah, I noticed it in those pics, too. They seem much lower. Dark Tint's really has a nice, low cafe racer look in that pic, though I think that owes partially to his mirrors as well.

If only the corners of the bends didn't overlap the '04 gauges a bit. Le sigh!

Not a practical issue, just aesthetic preference.

This thread is making me :drool :?

http://www.suburban-machinery.com/index.htm
Bitch, what bar was on the 599 when you traded her in? Dibbs on the SM bars if they are still in your garage :mrgreen:

I keep tellin' myself "ah fooey with the bars, who needs 'em!!" I
purposely don't check this thread and why you ask?!? Because
like jawbreaker, when i see those S-M's i get friggin delirium tremens
and my Master Card stealthily and sexily slinks out of my wallet in a
most sultry and seductive way and gently carresses my..aarghh, stop,
stop!!!!!

9 pages on bars...that is serious...even for us...

EDIT> OOPS I guess make that 10 pages! :lol:

Its a Disease yero.. No doubt

I keep tellin' myself "ah fooey with the bars, who needs 'em!!" I
purposely don't check this thread and why you ask?!? Because
like jawbreaker, when i see those S-M's i get friggin delirium tremens
and my Master Card stealthily and sexily slinks out of my wallet in a
most sultry and seductive way and gently carresses my..aarghh, stop,
stop!!!!!
Ha. If it makes it easier :wink: , they're really nice helpful folks on the phone. I had a question about reusing the OEM bar weights and the gentleman on the phone said, "hold on, let me put you on with the owner/designer who can answer your question". Now that's service.

Ha. If it makes it easier :wink: , they're really nice helpful folks on the phone. I had a question about reusing the OEM bar weights and the gentleman on the phone said, "hold on, let me put you on with the owner/designer who can answer your question". Now that's service.

SO what did he say about bar end weights. Are you using the OEM weights or something different? I'm trying to figure out what bar ends to get before I order the bars. Also, do you have to use bar end mirrors or could you use, say, the OEM mirrors if you wanted to? I would love to get something like Rizoma Dynamics but I'm not sure if you can put them on the SubMachin bars...

Ha. If it makes it easier :wink: , they're really nice helpful folks on the phone. I had a question about reusing the OEM bar weights and the gentleman on the phone said, "hold on, let me put you on with the owner/designer who can answer your question". Now that's service.

SO what did he say about bar end weights. Are you using the OEM weights or something different?

The OEM weights work fine with the SM bars. I had them installed until I got my bar-end mirrors.

The OEM weights work fine with the SM bars. I had them installed until I got my bar-end mirrors.

I wonder if their are any bar end/bar end weights that are more pleasing to the eyes but FUNCTIONAL all at the same time??

Maybe the LSL bar ends that I've seen a few people up here talk about??

Here are some. S/S only. http://www.motovationusa.com/mvstore/Scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=43

I have their sliders and the quality there is excellent. I don't trust much LSL stuff that I've seen, mostly because a fair portion seems to be junk. The only other options I know of are the Manic Salamanders, but those are pretty gangly.

I wonder if their are any bar end/bar end weights that are more pleasing to the eyes but FUNCTIONAL all at the same time??

Chris, if you keep the stock bar, the cruise control that Tomcanna has (there is a thread somewhere) would be the way to go. The bar "ends" look very nice plus...cruise control. Sadly if you go with aftermarket aluminum bars, they don't make one to fit...

My brain is about to fry. OK, so I know nothing about the different feel of lower bars or clip-ons. But I love the fact that Renthals come in colors!

Thinking those blue bars would look slick with some of the other blue accessories I'm working on (hugger, levers, handguards, etc.). But I'm trying to stay with functional stuff. Maybe new brake lines, too.

Oops... There goes another credit card into a little pile of melted goo. :roll:

Oops... There goes another credit card into a little pile of melted goo. :roll:

Hehe...you don't even know the half of it... 8) 8) 8)

Oops... There goes another credit card into a little pile of melted goo. :roll:

Hehe...you don't even know the half of it... 8) 8) 8)

Ah, yes, my tired friend, I do! THREE kids, thank you very much. 7, 4, and 2 years old. Can you say, "shoes?" :lol:

Can you say 'hand-me-downs'??? :roll: :wink:

Ah, yes, my tired friend, I do! THREE kids, thank you very much. 7, 4, and 2 years old. Can you say, "shoes?" :lol:

WOW.

I think I just got pwned... :? :? :?

WOW.

I think I just got pwned... :? :? :?

Nah, you're just getting started. :) It's a steep learning curve. Good luck with the little guy.

And now back to our regularly schedule posting of unneeded items on eBay!! :D

Here is a side-by-side comparison photo taken yesterday when I parked next to an SV650 with SM bars. [My Renthal bars have been shortened to match the stock bar length.]

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/6900/renthalsmgh8.jpg

Here is a side-by-side comparison photo taken yesterday when I parked next to an SV650 with SM bars. [My Renthal bars have been shortened to match the stock bar length.]

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/6900/renthalsmgh8.jpg
Maybe just me but the link didn't work and the little red x left me unsatisfied.

There's a pic, you're computer at work is blocking the host site.

Works now. I like the SM bars but they do have a very "tech" or aggressive look. Not for everyone. I flip flop on any given day as to if I like them enough to buy... today is a... Yes. :wink:

Well, I went with Renthals because they came in more than one color. Had to import my blue from the UK. Call me shallow... :D

I'd dig the Suburbans so much more if they didn't partially obscure the gauges on the '04s. I know it's not enough to actually affect functionality, but it'd just look so much better.

Wow. The thread that keeps on goin'…

Another thing to think about is how long your arms are and how short or tall you are. I'm 5'6" and the SM bars are a better option for me because they narrower than the Renthals. If I used the wider Renthals with less sweep, I might be leaning forward more and leaning in closer to the bike with my elbows less bent. Some might like the wide spread across the bars--some say it's more stable. I'm more comfortable having my elbows closer to my torso than spread further out. I like the compact, tucked position. It also makes me feel like the bike is sized more specifically for me.

I ordered some SM bars last week. They should be here tomorrow. Pics of 'em on a yellow 04 will be here soon.

I got my SM bar today. The difference is riding position is amazing. Being 6ft and doing a lot of highway riding, it's exactly what I needed.

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh312/adamizme0/DSCF1286.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh312/adamizme0/DSCF1287.jpg

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh312/adamizme0/DSCF1289.jpg

For those of you who think the SM bar gets in the way of the guages, this is what I see when riding:

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh312/adamizme0/DSCF1291.jpg

okay, that settles it. Those are the bars I'm going to get.

did you install them yourself?

did the bars have to be augmented in any way to get them to work?

For those of you who think the SM bar gets in the way of the guages, this is what I see when riding:

To clarify, as I'm pretty sure I'm the only one who mentioned this - I'm aware it does not interfere with gauge function or visibility of the dials themselves. Aesthetically, I don't like that the bars at ALL overlap the gauges - even just the edges. That said, a sane person wouldn't mind it.

Glad you like it, it does give a very unique look!

Looks nice... I'm really torn...

did you install them yourself?

did the bars have to be augmented in any way to get them to work?

Yep, Installed them myself. It was wicked easy. Probably took about 40 minutes. Most of which was screwing with cheap bar end mirrors that didn't want to come out of the old bar. Nothing really had to be changed at all. I just slid everything off of the old bar and onto the new one.

did you install them yourself?

did the bars have to be augmented in any way to get them to work?

Yep, Installed them myself. It was wicked easy. Probably took about 40 minutes. Most of which was screwing with cheap bar end mirrors that didn't want to come out of the old bar. Nothing really had to be changed at all. I just slid everything off of the old bar and onto the new one.
Unlike the Renthals, the SMs are pre-drilled for the control pods so they're ready to go as-is out of the shipping box. Per my installation experience, the OEM bar ends were the biggest challenge. Everything else was effortless in comparison to those f*%&ing things.

Quick question, do you know the difference in width of the bike now that you've added the SM bars compared to the stock bars?

Quick question, do you know the difference in width of the bike now that you've added the SM bars compared to the stock bars?
I haven't really been able to tell that much because the SMs are swept back. So while they are "longer" the overall effect hasn't seemed to be noticeably wider than the stock (although I'm sure they are, at least a little). But then again, maybe I was just so geeked about the bars, I never noticed how wide they were in the first place. :lol:

Anyone using Pro Taper? Cycle gear has them on sale for $35.99... I'm not really sure why I didn't pick one up...

Thought I would revive this thread because I'm about to pull the trigger on the SM's but am curious about vibration relative to stock. I'm comfortable with stock, will I need dampers on the SM's?

Thanks.

No vibes here. But I do have the CRG lane splitter bar-end mirrors installed on mine. I also ended up adding risers to mine after a few rides. Without them the bars were just a tad bit too low.

Thanks for the reply. I'll keep the risers in mind.

Bump to revive a good thread.