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cybil hamartia
04-30-2007, 10:05 AM
hey, y'all.

i was just reading an article on webbikeworld.com about brake bleeding. they use an actron hand vacuum pump that they bought for $65.

there's nothing on here about brake bleeding, so i thought i'd write a little something and relay some experiences:

here's what i did:
get a little cup/hose setup from sears for $5. the cup has two straws sticking out of it: one down low for fluid to come into it and one up higher for air to escape (or apply a vacuum).

put some sort of protection around the reservoir. rags, tin foil, something to keep the fluid off of the paint. keep rags and water around in case you do drop a little.

open up the reservoir. if you're feeling punctilious, get the old fluid out of the reservoir with a syringe. otherwise, just flush it through. a bottle of brake fluid is pretty generous, and the fluid can't be reused after you break the seal, so you might as well flush it all through the system.

slip the hose onto the longer staw of the cup. slip the other end onto the bleeder nipple. put some grease over the connection with the bleeder nipple so that air doesn't get into it.

fill the reservoir with fresh fluid. open the bleeder valve just enough that you can squeeze the liquid through. the first couple of squeezes, it's good to squeeze and close the bleeder valve while you still have pressure on the brake lever. after you get a bit of fluid in the cup, releasing the lever will just draw some of the fluid back into the system. at this point, it's no longer necessary to close the bleeder valve each time.

make sure that, as you're squeezing, you don't allow the reservoir to empty. refill it when it gets low.

watch the fluid coming through the tube into the cup. you will see it change from darkish to clearish. when it's clear, you're done. repeat for the other side of the front brakes, and the rear break.

a little adventure: somehow i spaced out and found myself with an empty rear brake the first time i did this. in need of a source of vacuum to pull the fluid through and bleed the brakes, i hooked up a hose from the carb to the cup. voila--a vacuum. worked just fine. i had the hose lying around from a carb balancer, and it happened to be the same size as the straw on the cup.

if there's anything here that's dead wrong, feel free to correct it. i haven't had any trouble with this procedure, but that could just mean i'm lucky. i suppose i'd also like to suggest that you don't need to go buy more stuff to bleed your brakes--a cup and break fluid will do the job just fine.

cheers!
.cyb

ps. as i write this, i get the feeling i've posted it here before. i can't find it right now. apologies if i'm repeating myself.
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Ken
04-30-2007, 03:16 PM
FWIW - I recently installed Speed Bleeders and they make this job a piece of cake.

Whereabouts in NY are you? I'm east of Rochester.

Sev
04-30-2007, 08:22 PM
I take a length of hose and an old pop bottle. Hammer a hole into the top of the bottle, shove the hose through and tape the bottle to the swingarm or fork.

Hook up the hose and get ready to bleed.

I make a point of opening and closing the bleed nipple every time.

Pump
Pump
Pump -> Hold
Open Nipple
Close Nipple
Release

Repeat, repeat repeat.

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cybil hamartia
05-01-2007, 08:45 AM
FWIW - I recently installed Speed Bleeders and they make this job a piece of cake.

Whereabouts in NY are you? I'm east of Rochester.

hey, Ken.

1. i guess part of what i was saying was that it seems like a pretty simple job, even without speed bleeders. i realize that the speed bleeders are cheaper than the pumps, but if you spend what, $12*3 nipples, that's still a good chunk of change.

2. i'm outside of nyc, so ... a good ways away. big damn state.

.cyb
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cybil hamartia
05-01-2007, 08:48 AM
I take a length of hose and an old pop bottle. Hammer a hole into the top of the bottle, shove the hose through and tape the bottle to the swingarm or fork.

hey, Sev.

great pictures! it seems to me that if the hose stuck down through the bottle lid, to a point below the level of the fluid that's coming out, you wouldn't have to close the bleeder after each squeeze. that's the nice thing about the little basic cup i have--the fluid comes out about 2mm from the bottom of the cup. closing the bleeder is pretty eacy for the rear brake, but it gets a little yoga-like if you're bleeding the front left caliper....

.cyb
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ranger5oh
05-01-2007, 09:46 AM
Great post guys!

rndthought
05-01-2007, 01:11 PM
...but it gets a little yoga-like...
2x today! Yoga is good for you!

I have a hand pump (for the brakes you silly girls) that attaches to the bottom nipple with a long hose...you can then stand and fill as you pump. Works rather well but wish the spent tank was a bit bigger. Think it was like $25 from the auto parts store. I modified a cap to attach it to the wet/dry vac and now I don't even need to pump, just flip a switch and watch for clear fluid!

But the purpose built vacuum pump thing is the way to go if you have the cash, works like a charm - the BMW place I used to have work on my Aprilia had one and it took like 3 minutes to change the fluid front and back. Took more time to remove the side cover to get at the rear reservoir than to do the whole job.

mechanic77
05-01-2007, 07:57 PM
if you use a long enough peice of hose once the hose has fluid in it you can just keep stroking the pedal/grip until you have clean fluid ..... when you let off the pedal or grip if the hose has fluid in it when the system draws back it cant draw back all the fluid out of the hose and then air after that if that makes sense it doesnt draw that much back in . .... works good for doing flushes

Sev
05-01-2007, 08:47 PM
it seems to me that if the hose stuck down through the bottle lid, to a point below the level of the fluid that's coming out, you wouldn't have to close the bleeder after each squeeze. that's the nice thing about the little basic cup i have--the fluid comes out about 2mm from the bottom of the cup. closing the bleeder is pretty eacy for the rear brake, but it gets a little yoga-like if you're bleeding the front left caliper....

.cyb

I've never had a problem reaching around and over for the front left, even on a Rocket Three, and those things normally friggin pigs to do anything on. And I don't really like the idea of accidently drawing old fluid back in, though it'll probably come back out.

Skier
05-01-2007, 08:55 PM
Or, if you're truly lazy, Speed Bleeder. (http://www.speedbleeder.com/) Bleeding nipple replacements with a one-way check valve in them.

mechanic77
05-01-2007, 11:29 PM
Change title of topic to " 300 Ways to Bleed Your Brakes " :lol:

rndthought
05-02-2007, 09:40 AM
Dude... you so can not just mention these things and not include the animated GIF! Kinda gets me in the mood....

http://www.speedbleeder.com/images/sbani.gif

....to bleed brakes you degenerates!