A St. Louis group had a serious accident last weekend involving 3 riders last weekend. No 599's in the group, but I thought it would be worth posting anyway.

http://www.midwestcaferacers.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1818&start=60

Looks like someone went into the corner too hot panicked and locked up a tire... then took out a friend. Sigh.

That looks pretty bad. I hope the riders pull through.

A sad reminder to keep well spaced on group rides perhaps? :?

From what I've read, the ZX-14 went into the turn hot, got target fixation on the rocks on the side of the road, then ran wide. The CBR1000rr was behind him and checked up, and was hit from behind by the ZX-10R.

Face it - they were all riding over their heads, and with insufficient bike-to-bike clearance, on a public road. Their choices, their consequences.

I agree with Sachi. Sorry people got hurt but public roads just aint the
place for the antics of some of these riders. Go pay for a track day.
Could have been worse if other traffic/innocents were invloved.

Anyone who has had a real motorcycle accident would have sympathy. Instead you have a know it all --- who was not even there placing blame.

My, my. Making some assumptions aren't we?

Whoa! Whoa! Back the train up!
I think this topic has taken a turn in the wrong direction!
Let's not go attacking one another here.... :evil:

WTF???!!! I think you need to keep your opinions to yourself, Doug!

Damn dougie was that necessary?? Not cool and why are you taking it
so personal. Were you there or were these people your friends/family??

Don't sweat it Sach... i think someone pissed in dougies corn flakes
today or something. Maybe it's the whole yamaha thing :lol: :wink:

Easy everyone...

dougielx - :idonno - Please, as requested, don't make it personal. That one (--now removed--) word added nothing to your comment and undermined any point you could have been trying to make.

Anyone who has had a real motorcycle accident would have sympathy.
I'm not trying to stoke the flames, but what do you mean by a real motorcycle accident?

DJ, who knows. And it makes no sense to imply that people who have had (any kind of) an accident are the only ones that can comment / analyze / sympathize anyway...as you are hinting, it is a pointless road to go down.

Anytime someone else’s inattention or mistakes “ruins” our day, well that just sucks. It is easy to look for the most proximal misstep and place 100% of the responsibility on that individual or trigger point but most “accidents” are a progression of inattentions and mistakes and more often than not, by all parties. Seldom is there a pure “victim” in an accident. When analyzed, there will be any number of place where anyone doing something different, the incident would have been less severe or not even happen.

Reading their thread, I think the thing here is to look at it and try to figure out what factors were in play and what could have been done to prevent it, from the perspective of all parties. Learn from it. Realize that our actions, the only ones we can control, impact all those around us and work to make sure we make the wisest choices.

And this isn’t altruistic. Because at the end of the day, no matter who's "fault" it was, if I’m involved, I’m involved. If there was anything I could have done to mitigate or prevent myself from becoming part of an accident AND I didn't do it, then I'm the dumb ass.

If I had known those riders personally, I would have been the first to offer my sympathy and support in any way possible. However, in *my* community of riders, anyone who has an accident openly talks about what happened and tries to figure out what went wrong, so that she or he can avoid mishaps in the future, and so that others can learn from that accident. I do the same with my own accidents (thankfully few) and close calls. Even though I would have offered sympathy and support to those guys I would also have told them they were idiots, to their faces.

I stand by my interpretation of what those riders did wrong.

Surely there is some middle ground here...
Whilst it may be easy to say people are idiots for making mistakes, is it the same thing to say we are idiots for learning to ride a motorcycle?
I say this because if you've never in your riding history found yourself in a tricky situation, perhaps a little beyond your current scope I'd be amazed. I think one has to challenge one's self a little in order to improve one's skills. I think it's best we let the riders involved speak before judging them too harshly.
Were the rider's to ride on the same road again, in a group, and lose control, then I would say they were idiots! :wink:

Surely there is some middle ground here...
Whilst it may be easy to say people are idiots for making mistakes, is it the same thing to say we are idiots for learning to ride a motorcycle?
I say this because if you've never in your riding history found yourself in a tricky situation, perhaps a little beyond your current scope I'd be amazed. I think one has to challenge one's self a little in order to improve one's skills. I think it's best we let the riders involved speak before judging them too harshly.

The reason I spoke as I did is because even if I could excuse the first rider's error as you suggest, the following riders did not have the room or the skill to avoid the first fallen rider. That by itself speaks volumes about the street smarts (more precisely, lack of smarts) of the group.

I agree, that is suspicious... :?