I'm not sure where I heard it from, but for the last 20 years I've been riding around town with my high-beams on. Apparently this has something to do with visibility, but I'm wondering if most of you generally ride in the daytime with high-beams on? Think its any safer?

I think we had a thread running on this for awhile, but I personally don't subscribe to the idea. If someone is paying enough attention, they'll see me because I don't ride in their blind spots. If someone isn't paying attention, no amount of shenanigans are going to help... but they will piss off other folks.

Yes, we already done been down this road. :popcorn

I'm still baffled how people can think high beams are annoying during the day. I have never found that to be true, and I am as sensitive to light as anybody. In fact, many cars drive their high beams at 90% power as daytime running lights.

I'm too entrenched in motorcycling now to know whether I'm aware of bright lights because they're bright, or because I'm looking for motorcycles - but either way, when I see a bright light during the day, I take notice. I'm not irritated at all by it, and I'm usually staring right at it, trying to make out what kind of bike it might be.

Using high beams at night where there is oncoming traffic is a different story, and I think it is illegal in Texas.

I think it's pointless in the daytime. The difference is too small to make it worth even the thought and bulb life. Minute things, I know, but I don't feel it makes a difference. If they don't see me, they're not paying attention. The high beam isn't going to make any difference. They're still not paying attention.

There is nothing more annoying to me than high beams at night, even on a bike. Even when I'm on my bike, they're blinding me, causing an unsafe situation for the both of us. I just think "what a jackass. Let's hope I don't run into him or the ditch."

Sorry if I missed the thread where this was discussed before. Yeah, I don't ride with highbeams at night -- and I haven't really noticed anyone annoyed at me for riding with highbeams during the day. This morning I was stopped behind a shiny, black escalade (pimps!), and noticed that the reflection of my light looked awfully bright.

I can't remember where I picked up that little piece of advice though and it certainly didn't come up in my recent 'refresher' course. Just wondered what most other riders do as general practice.

I think whatever you can do to help visibility... go for it! Most of the new cruisers have it so the headlight blinks during daytime (which I find kinda of annoying and cheesy) but if it saves a life, its worth it!

LOL Here we go again. But at the risk of sounding played out, I like high beams on in the day, off at night. They even suggested it to us in the MSF course I took before I got the Hornet.

If I can get maybe another 1/2 second for them to catch something bright hesitate and look again...for me high beams on during the day. Plus I have PIAA runing lights which I use for the same reason.

No proof, no statistics it's just what I do.

I also ride with high beams during the day. If I see someone about to turn in off a side street i will actually drive right at them momentarily to point my light at them and kind of waggle the bars. I call it flashing them.:hump:hump So far so good.

I also ride with high beams during the day. If I see someone about to turn in off a side street i will actually drive right at them momentarily to point my light at them and kind of waggle the bars. I call it flashing them.:hump:hump So far so good.

I do the wiggle (more of a swerve) thing to in those situations. Never thought of pointing directly at the first though. I will from now on, "I like your technique. It seems your kung fu is as good as mine,"

In a law enforcement motorcycling class for civilians I took they also recommend high beams during the day..most all moto cops practice this. I love my head light modulator. the cool thing with the 599 is that when the high is on the low stays one too unlike most other bikes.

I find high-beams during the day distracting . . . but there are very few of them unless it's cold out.

I find high-beams during the day distracting . . . but there are very few of them unless it's cold out.

But you notice them, right?

I find high-beams during the day distracting . . . but there are very few of them unless it's cold out.

What's "cold" in Torrance? 68F? :mrgreen:

Here's a way to test this, go on a group ride, and have some people run their high-beam, and some run the low, glance in the rear view and see who it easier to spot. I'm pretty sure it's the guys with the brights on... which is why I run with mine on the high beam during the day. I'd rather pay $12 for a burnt bulb instead of 8k for another 919...

What's "cold" in Torrance? 68F? :mrgreen:

well, you're forgetting to factor in the early morning fog and the freeway speed wind chill. :lol2:

well, you're forgetting to factor in the early morning fog and the freeway speed wind chill. :lol2:

And don't forget the "cold" looks you get from cagers when you're splitting lanes. That drops the temp another 10 degrees easily!

I don't use high beams unless I'm on back roads, at night, alone... and need the extra visibility for deer and whatnot. My friend always runs his high beams on his R6 and when he follows me I want to beat the living shit out of him.

I can see just fine and I don't want to elicit that response from everyone else on the road. As was said earlier - if you can't see or hear me under normal circumstances, high beams aren't going to help me.

I don't use high beams unless I'm on back roads, at night, alone... and need the extra visibility for deer and whatnot. My friend always runs his high beams on his R6 and when he follows me I want to beat the living shit out of him.

I can see just fine and I don't want to elicit that response from everyone else on the road. As was said earlier - if you can't see or hear me under normal circumstances, high beams aren't going to help me.

Chipotle!!!!

Here's a way to test this, go on a group ride, and have some people run their high-beam, and some run the low, glance in the rear view and see who it easier to spot.
It's not difficult to spot either person when I'm looking. The major problem is people not paying attention. I've worn high-vis colors, had a ridiculously loud exhaust, and more in the name of making myself visible. In my experience, none of that made a marked difference. Improving my riding technique and situational awareness, however, did.

Everyone should do what they're comfortable doing, so long as it's not infringing on others - ie, straight pipe exhaust - but any safety measure that relies on the intelligence/attention/care of another driver means very little to me.

Chipotle!!!!
You really think high-beams would have helped? The guy was in a panel-Caravan and 2 years from Social Security. I could have rumbled down the street lit up like the Strip and I still would have gotten the knockdown. The thought did occur to me, though.

I don't care what anyone else does, just as long as you don't ride my ass with brights on. That's one of my short-fuse road-rage triggers.

I don't care what anyone else does, just as long as you don't ride my ass with brights on. That's one of my short-fuse road-rage triggers.

"Short fuse?"

Suits ya.

:mrgreen:

"Short fuse?"

Suits ya.

:mrgreen:
Wow. You really reach for the gold-standard in comedy, dontcha?

Admittedly I do have a bad case of the little-guy-with-a-really-bad-temper syndrome. Three broken noses to show for it. My noses, I mean. Not sure if I ever dealt one to anyone else. Probably not. I'm finding that tends to subside as you get older and get laid on a semi-regular basis. I'm only experiencing one of those phenomena at the moment.

Wow. You really reach for the gold-standard in comedy, dontcha?

Forgive my impudence. I'm giddy because it's below 90F where I am today. :clap

Too bad you don't have your bike handy. You'd be golden.

We've been pretty good here lately. Generally mid-80's.

You really think high-beams would have helped? The guy was in a panel-Caravan and 2 years from Social Security. I could have rumbled down the street lit up like the Strip and I still would have gotten the knockdown. The thought did occur to me, though.

I don't care what anyone else does, just as long as you don't ride my ass with brights on. That's one of my short-fuse road-rage triggers.

Probably not, but that is what came to mind in a battle cry sort of way.

What I hate is SUVs with their freaking brights on behind me. Some with the HID lights are almost as bad. The height of the SUV makes it an almost guaranteed can't see a blasted thing experience.

Everyone should do what they're comfortable doing, so long as it's not infringing on others - ie, straight pipe exhaust - but any safety measure that relies on the intelligence/attention/care of another driver means very little to me.

+1 :clap

Three broken noses to show for it. My noses, I mean.
You've got three noses? No wonder the fellas here give you such a hard time. :lol2:

Back on topic: I ride with the high beam on during the day, off at night. Years ago when I bought my second motorcycle (Yamaha Radian) I heard a guy say, "Mad at me because my high-beam is on? Well, you saw me, didn't you?" It made sense.

Nowadays, with so many vehicles equipped with DRLs, I figure motorcyclists need all the illumination help they can get in order to not get mixed in with the rest of the traffic. (And that's just one of my beefs against DRLs.)

I don't during the day, 'cause I don't think it adds much (especially in the blazing SoCal summers). 'Course, with the brights of oncoming traffic at night, I have been known to, just to be able to see the d*mn road, in the face of all those car lights.

And what is up with the "don't want to annoy" the car drivers? Huh? Their lights are WAY brighter respectively, to us riders than ours to them! Especially the SUVs and all those ridiculous blue HID, poke yur eyeballs out (even in the car!) lights that I see all around. AND they are so much higher and in the face. Talk to the hand! Yeah, my brights don't come up past regular sedan level from the reflections I see. SUVs? Please.

Gotta get the "intersection/side street pullout jiggle" going though. That seems as if it would be effective as a visibility strategy.

+1 on the highs behind ya from the bud...yikes! Again, hate it in cars at night too. I've also actually been blinded by the sun reflected BACK to me from a friend's rear views. Whoa! That be bad ju-ju.

people definatly notice you when you have 8000k hids when you hit them the highs

I ride with them on during the day, I like the pretty blue light.

I leave em on all the time at nighttime. F'em. it could save my life. I stuck a small square of electrical tape over the blue high beam indicator light so it doesn't bother me. I may have had three oncoming cars flash me alltogeather. The '06 headlight on high, seems to spread out to the sides and a bit further down the road, not so much up.

Bump!

I got silverjt to put on his highbeams on and what a different it made. With them off, was I see you and with them on I can't miss you!!

So now I ride with them on during the day and off @ night.

I leave em on (highbeams) all the time at nighttime. F'em. it could save my life.

Friend, you're looking at this the wrong way. High-beams should be used with discretion at night. By constantly leaving you're high-beams on you're more likely to obscure the vision of oncoming traffic thus increasing the chance of a head-on collision. Try this, on a dark road have someone sit on the Hornet and point the high beams towards you as you sit in a car.
- Can't see much motorcycle can you?
- You're not more visible, you just made yourself invisible behind a blinding light.
- If the oncoming cager is really old, a little buzzed, has shitty night eyes like me from laser correction or is driving to fast now you're f'ed.
- The no high-beams at night law is there to make it safer for all drivers. Don't be another selfish motorcyclist. Cars with overpowered lights piss me off big time as well.
- The correct solution to being visible at night is wearing super reflective clothing. The same type that the US military requires full-time on-base. It's effective as it is ugly. Headlight modulators during the day work well also. During the day I flick my high-beams on and off as needed to get attention but mostly they are on low-beam so when I do flick it into high the cager will notice.

- Safety Tip from the proficient motorcycling book: If needed, when approching intersections, riders can slow down and do a little (little!) swerve to get cagers attention with the headlight on lowbeam. When stopped at an intersection at night a little shaking the bars (which is attached to the light, duh) gets a lot of attention and doesn't blind oncoming traffic. And slow down at night.

Sure there are many occasions to use High Beams at night and I realize the Hornet's high-beams won't blind every driver in every car.
http://faq.ninja250.org/wiki/I_want_to_know_more_about_headlight_modulators

Here's another fact for you.

-No guy has ever picked up a hot chick on his bike wearing a reflective yellow vest.

Here's another fact for you.

-No guy has ever picked up a hot chick on his bike wearing a reflective yellow vest.
That's a good point. In fact, we should all strive to be this man:

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That's a good point. In fact, we should all strive to be this man:

wtofbxmlv8Y

Ha. I was gonna say "No dead guy has ever picked up a hot chick, either." :mrgreen:

Ha. I was gonna say "No dead guy has ever picked up a hot chick, either." :mrgreen:
Just because she's hot doesn't mean she's not a necrophiliac. Words of wisdom there, buddy.

Just because she's hot doesn't mean she's not a necrophiliac. Words of wisdom there, buddy.

Especially with vampires being all the rage now...

Especially with vampires being all the rage now...
http://images.moviefill.com/dd923070d3534449_a39cd186b0ecd27a_o.jpg

http://images.moviefill.com/dd923070d3534449_a39cd186b0ecd27a_o.jpg

http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs227.snc1/7434_166360232369_517532369_2668923_2293086_n.jpg

You've got three noses? No wonder the fellas here give you such a hard time. :lol2:


http://images.moviefill.com/dd923070d3534449_a39cd186b0ecd27a_o.jpg

Maybe JB was referencing wearing these tightie WTFies when he said he had three noses.

Barx panties?

^^^^

Epic. And from another Texan, too. Ouch.

But you have to admit, that flag would increase, uh... visiblity at least as much as high beams...

:lol2:

Dude... pictures of ex-girlfriends... ouch.

Dude... pictures of ex-girlfriends... ouch.

Fixed

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c192/PepperTurl/imfunny.jpg

Fixed

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c192/PepperTurl/imfunny.jpg

That's almost hanging out his window and saying he's pretty creepy. :lol2:

And Lilipad...

Don't go thinking that running with high beams on make you impossible not to see. They certainly didn't save me from getting cut off and crashing...

That's almost hanging out his window and saying he's pretty creepy. :lol2:

I know! That's what cracks me up about it :lol2:

I'm not really creepy tho, just bored at work and easily amused.

I know! That's what cracks me up about it :lol2:

I'm not really creepy tho, just bored at work and easily amused.

I loved it, I just couldn't pass up on the window line.

Fixed

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c192/PepperTurl/imfunny.jpg

It will be days before I can even narrow down what the creepiest thing about that picture is. :lol2:

Damn, I hadn't seen this thread in a while, and I was doing a really good job of forgetting what was in it. Then I clicked it by accident. Damn. Damn. Damn.

Yeah, and umm, Pep... that Paint job has a real "Fatal Attraction" kind of feel to it. It's all fun and games until you cut off my penis and keep it in a jar full of formaldehyde next to your bed.

:shock:

anyone else get that pre-rape feeling?

I especially love the great Photoshop job! Dammit, this is the funniest thing I've seen on here in awhile.

anyone else get that pre-rape feeling?

Oooohhh... I LOVE that pre-rape feeling! :lol2:

Oooohhh... I LOVE that pre-rape feeling! :lol2:

I'll bet :)

Shit.

:lol2:

That is freaking great. I wish I could put that in my signature.

God that's disgusting but I have to admit... pretty damn hilarious.

Dear god.

oh wow... that's awesome! I needed that today...

Brilliant!

Nice photoshop Skrogg, it puts my microsoft paint to shame :)

Damnit . . . now I'm crying at work. Too funny!

I can't believe I've been avoiding this thread because I thought it was only about headlights. :lol2: This is a group of people who are completely unable to stay on topic.

I was doing a really good job of forgetting what was in it. Then I clicked it by accident. Damn. Damn. Damn.

Yeah. What he said. Skrogg's pic sorta made me feel... um... just EWWW!

I thought I was over that post-Friday-night too-many-beers feeling. Now it's back. And worse. [shudder.]

I can't believe I've been avoiding this thread because I thought it was only about headlights. :lol2: This is a group of people who are completely unable to stay on topic.
Hehehe…one of this groups most endearing (and enduring) features. I love how it looks as if he just put his head into one of those cut out pictures and…uh…lost his focus…and he's holding a beer behind the cardboard.:lol2:

oh man.... i hadn't checked this out since pepper's post. this is so damn funny i have tears streaming down my face at my desk.... at work!

Not to resurrect an old thread, but I personally have found that too much and too bright of lighting can affect one's ability to properly guage distance and rate of closure due to increased glare. Might just be me, but those factors at least partly exceed overall visibility. Plus at least when using low beam you have the ability to flash the high beam as an attention getter as needed.

Plus at least when using low beam you have the ability to flash the high beam as an attention getter as needed.

Um... I don't want to be the donkey here, but... if I've got the high beams on, I still have the option of flicking them off and back on (repeatedly, if necessary) as an attention getter. :wink:

Um... I don't want to be the donkey here, but... if I've got the high beams on, I still have the option of flicking them off and back on (repeatedly, if necessary) as an attention getter. :wink:

No, no...

HIGH-low-HIGH-low would just confuse people. low-HIGH-low-HIGH is much more better!

http://www.insidesocal.com/friendlyfire/180px-Shrek_donkey.jpg

...Hee haw, hee haw! :mrgreen:

LOL I was thinking the exact thing:lol2:

I always ride with my high beams on, i dont think i've ever turned them off actually. Im always riding behind a cop whenever i get the chance, i think they would had said something if it was too bright for them...

I'm usually staring right at it, trying to make out what kind of bike it might be.

Haha, good to hear I'm not the only one!

Well you could just put a strobe light in lieu of the headlight. You'd feel faster at night too!

Well you could just put a strobe light in lieu of the headlight. You'd feel faster at night too!

that would be awesome to see

Well you could just put a strobe light in lieu of the headlight. You'd feel faster at night too!

I see a ticket in your future...

http://www.comagination.com/images/Valk00_ani.gif

but in all seriousness: http://www.comagination.com/modulator.htm

Interesting, I think I may have seen this on some bikes. I thought it was 'modulating' because of a poor electrical connection -- it certainly DOES get your attention when someone's headlight seems out of whack.

I've seen it on a few gold wings. It does get ur attention

+1 or when they go over bumps, and the headlight goes up and down will grab my attention as well.

http://www.comagination.com/images/Valk00_ani.gif

but in all seriousness: http://www.comagination.com/modulator.htm
Bookmarked - Cheers!

Re: High-Beams = Safety

Answer (for me) = Yes, Yes, and, Yes
Only exception is another motorcyclist approaching in oncoming traffic, I dim in-courtesy, and then back on-High.

High beams at night = F*CKING annoying. I can't see shit else no matter what vehicle I'm on. It's not that safe for the motorcyclist if I can't even see my lane markings. Even under streetlights, it's too bright. I can see your damn headlight, it's a bright source of light in an otherwise dark area, no need to blind me.

Motorcyclist magazine did a big write up on this (again) recently. If I may paraphrase the authors message:

1) Hi-beams at night is unsafe. Blinding on-coming cagers not a good idea. Chances are they will not see you, only a blinding light and possibly loose control of the car. Biker will loose every time if the two were to meet.

2) Hi-beams during the day is unsafe. It wasn't unsafe when this practice was made legal and motorcycle headlamps provided measly output, enough to barely pass DOT. Modern moto headlamps are just as powerful as cars and having them on hi-beam continuously won't make you more visible and could result in the same as above in the right circumstances. Thats why DRL's output on cars are dimmer than standard night lights, on my car at least. Visibility doesn't require massive light output.

2A) Also, you want the option to flick the hi-beams on as in "don't even think about turning left" to really get someone's attention when you need it.

2B) Don't ever flick your hi-beams on and off to warn someone you are coming through. Most people from other countries (and lots in the USA) translate that into "Go-ahead, I'll yield". Flick it to high and leave it on high till you get out of that situation.

3) Adding extra lights/visibility gear seems to be of an advantage.

4) Ride like everybody is out to get you... defense.

Thats why DRL's output on cars are dimmer than standard night lights, on my car at least. Visibility doesn't require massive light output.



My VW DRL are just as bring as the headlights...

So, I've noticed the 599 headlight is much bright than the 919 light... Barx has stated that he rides with his low beam on... In the rain shot below, you can see his low beam against my high beam... I think it's time to install a 599 headlight on the 919...

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e298/RhodesTTU/storm.jpg

Motorcyclist magazine did a big write up on this (again) recently. If I may paraphrase the authors message:

1) Hi-beams at night is unsafe. Blinding on-coming cagers not a good idea. Chances are they will not see you, only a blinding light and possibly loose control of the car. Biker will loose every time if the two were to meet.

2) Hi-beams during the day is unsafe. It wasn't unsafe when this practice was made legal and motorcycle headlamps provided measly output, enough to barely pass DOT. Modern moto headlamps are just as powerful as cars and having them on hi-beam continuously won't make you more visible and could result in the same as above in the right circumstances. Thats why DRL's output on cars are dimmer than standard night lights, on my car at least. Visibility doesn't require massive light output.

2A) Also, you want the option to flick the hi-beams on as in "don't even think about turning left" to really get someone's attention when you need it.

2B) Don't ever flick your hi-beams on and off to warn someone you are coming through. Most people from other countries (and lots in the USA) translate that into "Go-ahead, I'll yield". Flick it to high and leave it on high till you get out of that situation.

3) Adding extra lights/visibility gear seems to be of an advantage.

4) Ride like everybody is out to get you... defense.

Good information, thanks. I agree with all of that.:thumbsup

So, I read all this, and decided to do a bit of a test. Typically I ride around on highbeam all day long, I turn it to low only if I am:

a) Riding on the hiway. I sortof figure less visibility might be an advantage when speeding

b) At night or dusk

So for the last several weeks with nice weather I've turned it to low beam. I have to say I HAVE noticed a difference in people pulling out in front of me or left-turning in front of me. Yeah, yeah... maybe it's because I WANT there to be a difference, but I really do feel less seen. So today, after some douchebag pulled out in front of me and I had to feel the forks dive under front-brake pressure I turned it back to high. Screw it, if I annoy people, then so be it.

http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/small/0906/highbeams-high-beams-pokeys-nip-boob-wtf-demotivational-poster-1245200520.jpg

Hire a "forerunner." he can get ahead and flag traffic at intersections. Then, you could fly through in a one-wheel salute to all the douches that may have killed you before. :mrgreen:

...I had to feel the forks dive under front-brake pressure...

Ha. Like that takes a whole lot of effort. :mrgreen:

Thanks for that imput Clickety... I think I may conduct a test myself...

For the last year I have riden with my highbeam on during the day only. (919) I have found that cagers have cut me off significantley less. I actually prefer a bike following me to have their high beam on as well, because I find it easier to spot them in my mirrors. Personal preferance I guess......

Only time I'm ever blinded in traffic is from oncoming CARS (fwy), never motorcycles. So, on the fwy at night I practically HAVE to have my brights on if I wanna see anything in front of me. I've never been blinded by any motorcycle's beams, no matter how much blinged out beam power they have. They're just too low by comparison. I see where my high beams go on even the lowest sedan. Not high enough to be an issue. I guess I just don't get it.

I've been blinded by several sport bikes, both in the car and on the bike. I just want to stick my leg out and kick them as they pass...

Running highbeams at night should be obvious - do it like a car and don't point it at people.

As an ex-trucker (ie, every day, all day on the road observing), I have seen that:

A) The immediate, natural judge of an oncoming vehicle's speed is it's headlights. With our stereoscopic vision, our brains detect the widening of the space between the headlights and how fast it's changing, which tells us how fast it's coming. While we do the same thing even if the vehicle doesn't have DRLs, the brighter lights work quicker and more naturally with our brain's function.

B) As motorcycles don't have two widely spaced headlights, it can be extremely difficult to see how fast it's coming. Unless you pay more specific attention to it, hence those famous "Look, Look Again" ads.

C) As lights get closer, they get brighter. Thus, a vehicle with highbeams on appears closer than one the same distance with lowbeams. At first glance, anyway. Once you look and think enough, your brain has the time to properly observe. (By which time the driver shouldn't be cutting left in front of you anymore, anyway).

Thus, a bike with lowbeam says "farther" to the brain as the initial impulse. This sets what you could call a "Can I go?" flag to "Maybe". And if the driver is in a hurry to turn left and thinks he might get through first, he might only use that initial impulse before making his move. Possibly in error, possibly one that puts you in his door.

Alternatively, a bike with highbeam says "close!" to the brain initially. This sets the "Can I go?" flag to "NO". If that same driver is hoping to get through, it's likely (unless he's REALLY in a hurry) that he will spend a few extra moments/thoughts before realizing he can, in fact, go. Or, for the whole point of the exercise, NOT go now that he realizes he can't make it.

All of course, during the day. At night, don't be a jerk and blind people. Duh. And ride carefully! It's hard to see bikes in the dark, especially to see how fast they're going. Unless you're really flying. :)

As an ex-trucker (ie, every day, all day on the road observing), I have seen that:

A) The immediate, natural judge of an oncoming vehicle's speed is it's headlights. With our stereoscopic vision, our brains detect the widening of the space between the headlights and how fast it's changing, which tells us how fast it's coming. While we do the same thing even if the vehicle doesn't have DRLs, the brighter lights work quicker and more naturally with our brain's function.

B) As motorcycles don't have two widely spaced headlights, it can be extremely difficult to see how fast it's coming. Unless you pay more specific attention to it, hence those famous "Look, Look Again" ads.

C) As lights get closer, they get brighter. Thus, a vehicle with highbeams on appears closer than one the same distance with lowbeams. At first glance, anyway. Once you look and think enough, your brain has the time to properly observe. (By which time the driver shouldn't be cutting left in front of you anymore, anyway).

Thus, a bike with lowbeam says "farther" to the brain as the initial impulse. This sets what you could call a "Can I go?" flag to "Maybe". And if the driver is in a hurry to turn left and thinks he might get through first, he might only use that initial impulse before making his move. Possibly in error, possibly one that puts you in his door.

Alternatively, a bike with highbeam says "close!" to the brain initially. This sets the "Can I go?" flag to "NO". If that same driver is hoping to get through, it's likely (unless he's REALLY in a hurry) that he will spend a few extra moments/thoughts before realizing he can, in fact, go. Or, for the whole point of the exercise, NOT go now that he realizes he can't make it.

This is a very logical explanation, and with whatever (if any) "street cred" driving 400K+ miles gives me, I agree.

The corollary to B) is that Jeeps and some Saturns with headlights/DRLs spaced closer together than most vehicles are wickedly dangerous because we assume they are further away than they really are.

The corollary to B) is that Jeeps and some Saturns with headlights/DRLs spaced closer together than most vehicles are wickedly dangerous because we assume they are further away than they areally are.

Agree to that 100%.

stupid saturns...

stupid saturns...

Saturns are fine, it is morons in Lexus' that are more dangerous in my commute.

I HATE the RX.

stupid saturns...

I don't even have to say it, DH, but I'm gonna. You drive a miata!:lol2: :lol2:

I don't even have to say it, DH, but I'm gonna. You drive a miata!:lol2: :lol2:

Well, I was just saying that in reference to Carlitos' post about the DRL being so close together, I'm just babysitting the Miata... I drive a Golf... damn it... :mrgreen:

I know man, but you left yourself open, so I had to throw the jab.

Agree to that 100%.

Yup.

I know man, but you left yourself open, so I had to throw the jab.

no worries man... If I can dish it out, I can take it.. And I did admit to driving the miata... So, I'll take the jabbing

no worries man... If I can dish it out, I can take it.. And I did admit to driving the miata... So, I'll take the jabbing

Don't worry, some guys just need to, um, compensate...

Don't worry, some guys just need to, um, compensate...

So, does that mean I'm not compensating since I drive a VW,

Since I won't leave you alone about the miata, Ill tell you that I drove a cavalier z24. Looking back on it, probably looked more like something a chick would jump out of, rather than a big white hillbilly like myself.

The z24 with the 3.1 v6 and a 5-spd would flat haul... Those things were quick...

Not. Mine was a 2.4 quad four, which met a nasty blown head gasket end. It handled like spider monkey though!!

it's scary how well those little cars handle...

My VW DRL are just as bring as the headlights...

Daytime Running Lights... Grrrrrrrrrr!!

I hate 'em.

They make motorcycles disappear, they're annoying in general, and around here it seems about 10% of cars with 'em have one that doesn't work.

(Interestingly, most of those are VW or GM products. For whatever that's worth.)

Daytime Running Lights... Grrrrrrrrrr!!

I hate 'em.

They make motorcycles disappear,


agreed

It handled like spider monkey though!!

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Daytime Running Lights... Grrrrrrrrrr!!

I hate 'em.

Yeah, but they work, though. Sorry. :wink:

...and around here it seems about 10% of cars with 'em have one that doesn't work.

I almost waved at a truck with one light out today. No big whoop. :mrgreen:

Yeah, but they work, though. Sorry. :wink:


Yeah. I still hate 'em. :-P


I almost waved at a truck with one light out today. No big whoop. :mrgreen:

HA-HAaaaa!

HA-HAaaaa!

Alright. I've seen this a few times now, and have another question. When one posts a voice, is it actually supposed to play the word in said voice?

Nah, you just have to imagine it that way. :wink:

Have you got your speakers turned up? It almost always works for me, unless someone's used an invalid parameter. :D