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Old 11-04-2018, 11:05 AM   #1
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Default YESSS.. Honda CB650R Neo Sports Café Coming

OH MY GOD

Thank you Honda!!! This is EXACTLY what I need. I can't tell you how goddamn excited I am to see this. Now, this is a concept, so I'm sure the eventual production model will be a bit more tame in its appearance, but holy crap am I excited for this!!!

This bike will be the true spiritual successor to the 599.


The current production CB1000R is based on a concept Honda labelled Neo Sports Café, which was displayed at motorcycle shows in 2017. This year, at the just completed Paris Motorshow, Honda displayed yet another Neo Sports Café concept. This time it is a 650.




http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2018/...cept-is-a-650/




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Old 11-04-2018, 11:10 AM   #2
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I have to say, though, I'm still interested in owning the 2019 CB300R just to have a super lightweight (313lbs wet) bike for urban commuting. But we'll see. Considering the 300R is 35 lbs lighter than the 300F it replaces, hopefully the new CB650R will be significantly lighter than the current CB650F, which is pretty damn heavy at 454 lbs wet.
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Old 11-06-2018, 08:30 PM   #3
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Old 11-07-2018, 07:13 PM   #4
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Holy cow. This bike is fucking schmexy.

When the CB1000/300/125 came out, I was wondering why they didn't make a middleweight version.

I really this bike.
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Old 11-21-2018, 05:45 AM   #5
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I like the production version more than the concept.

After owning my CTX I can no longer live without heated grips and hard lockable luggage.

The grips should be no problem. Honda likes to make pig tails for accessories in the wiring harness. For the bags I may have to look at Shad or Givi.

In a few years I may be looking to pick one up.
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Old 11-28-2018, 05:13 PM   #6
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This thing is beautiful!
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Old 11-29-2018, 08:53 PM   #7
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An interesting design. What would you guess the design intention to be? Cruiser? Sport naked bike?

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Old 12-05-2018, 08:09 AM   #8
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More excited about this one:

2019 CBR650R

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Old 12-05-2018, 04:26 PM   #9
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More excited about this one:

2019 CBR650R

+1, this looks good... which makes me wonder is a CBR350RR coming?

EDIT

I checked a few things and have observed a bit of an anomaly. The bike has a good look (at least to me anyways), but I always check the rake and trail of the bikes having done a bike project a few years ago. Here is a left over chart from the project that I add bikes every now and then.

You can see the difference between the bike groups. The "sportier" rides are in the lower left corner. I have a Hawk GT and the Hornet. I have been thinking about the CB300R. I'm a little cool on the styling, but the basics are there for a fun ride; very light weight and great suspension geometry. Then we have the 2019 CBR650R. With a rake of 30 degrees and trail of 4 inches, it is more like the Harley Davidson Sportster models (I have one of these too).

So, I have to question what was the targeted rider of this bike? This looks like a bike that has a "cool look" but will not really be a sharp corner ride. Honda tends to put a "soft" suspension (for riders over 190 lbs) on their bikes, so that combination will not be a good add to the steering geometry.

Edit: I updated the graphic to add the outgoing model (2017 CBR650F). You can see it has the same trail (4") but the rake angle was 25.5 degrees. This was a good geometry for the ride. Why did Honda increase the rake to 30 degrees??

I will be interested to see what riders say about this bike once it comes out in numbers.
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Old 12-07-2018, 08:28 AM   #10
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Great graph. Very interesting.

What are some of the sport bikes on this graph?
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Old 12-07-2018, 05:23 PM   #11
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My project was back in 2012 (CB700SC Nighthawk). I was changing the geometry and wanted to know what was "safe". I have added some bikes over time (2014 and 2015). It doesn't seem to have changed too much.

I picked a few bikes from the 80's (around the time of the Nighthawk, and yes, you can see a change since then.

I'll post more once I start the suspension thread on my Hornet (Spring next year)

Jerry

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The naked bikes (there are about 150 bikes on the list)
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Old 12-07-2018, 05:39 PM   #12
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Another interesting relationship; probably not a surprise when you think about it but interesting how it looks like it "comes to a point". Perhaps things get too iffy at legal speeds if the WB gets too short.

That reminds me to check where the Grom falls on the graphic...
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Old 12-07-2018, 05:48 PM   #13
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LOL, the Grom is an an extrapolation of the point. Perhaps the smaller wheeled bikes extend the "V" lower and to the left. The larger diameter tire bikes fade out earlier?
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Old 12-10-2018, 07:03 AM   #14
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So, I have to question what was the targeted rider of this bike? This looks like a bike that has a "cool look" but will not really be a sharp corner ride. Honda tends to put a "soft" suspension (for riders over 190 lbs) on their bikes, so that combination will not be a good add to the steering geometry.
Honestly, how many "sharp corner" riders are buying brand new street bikes to hone their skills?
I feel that Honda produce and market the CB650R to maximize the sales for beginner/seasonal riders who ride mostly on the street, want something that looks cool, looks like a crotch rocket yet still comfortable sitting in (slow flowing) traffic, running over potholes.

Open road, spirited cornering, performance riding type probably not what the CB650R is marketed for.

Reality is: more than often a riders buys a brand new model motorcycle to look cool; rather than enduring the weather, commuting all year long.
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Old 12-10-2018, 02:56 PM   #15
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A,

I didn't mean to imply "sharp corner" to mean knee drag riding. I meant crisp handling. The CBR600RR is the knee dragging bike.

When you buy a bike that looks like this, you want some level of performance. They baked it into the CB300R and CB1000R but took it out of the previous CB650F (?). Now, it doesn't compete well against the other competitor offerings in this weight class.

What a bold move it would be if it was supposed to be a beginner bike but just look sporty. Noone else is making such a bike. I would say the CB300R is the beginner bike. But, you could be right in saying it was meant to just look the "sporty" part.

Time will tell how this works out whatever the intent was.
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